Need some help with an Investigation...

Just to clarify - The niece's daughter is getting marks while she's at someone else's home, as well as her own home?

What other things are going on, aside from the child's issues?

From what the gal told me.. the lil girl is just over a year old. And she is getting this at her home. There are marks on her back .The mom has woken up to find her in the kitchen laughing then falls backwards gets up and does it again and is not aware of her mom standing there.

The aunt is going to see if she can get pics of the marks for us.

If she's getting these marks at someone elses home, then whatever it is, is following her.

One question, was the meth lab properly cleaned up after it was found?

It sounds like the child may have gotten in contact with some toxins, possibly left over from the meth lab. If they don't strip out all the carpets, repaint, and clean thoroughly the chemicals can still be in the home. The child falling over then giggling sounds like shes intoxicated not haunted. The marks on her lower back could also be a sign of poison in her system.

I'd make sure she had the house thoroughly checked out for toxic materials AND take the child to the doctor and explain the house had a meth lab in it at one time and check to see if the child is being affected by any toxins. Best be safe to rule out natural or other causes before you go in full blast saying its a demon. Might save a childs life also, be careful.

One question, was the meth lab properly cleaned up after it was found?

It sounds like the child may have gotten in contact with some toxins, possibly left over from the meth lab. If they don't strip out all the carpets, repaint, and clean thoroughly the chemicals can still be in the home. The child falling over then giggling sounds like shes intoxicated not haunted. The marks on her lower back could also be a sign of poison in her system.

I'd make sure she had the house thoroughly checked out for toxic materials before you take a priest over there.

most buildings that have housed meth lab have to be torn down and the remains quarntined because the toxins that are created are extremely hazardous. I would tell your client to immeditely leave, and consult her doctor / peditician to run toxicity tests on the baby and her.
FYI, no amount of clean up can properly clean up a prior meth lab, if it is something such as a demonic force the roman catholic church would first want to make sure that the there are no enviromental factors which could cause the activity seen to this date.

My first thought to was has the child been screened for Autism? I don't know why that popped in to my head but it did. Regardless I hope what ever it is that he little girl find some relief ...bless her heart.

Thanks guys... ya know I guess I have to think of the what it could be un-paranormal before we do paranormal in such cases. I don't do drugs so I know very lil about Meth or crack and what it does. Infact I don't do drugs, drink or smoke so I guess I'm the boring one of the bunch..LOL . I even quit my pain meds because they made me loopy and I'm already goofy enough.

After talking with the aunt I guess this gal doesn't know much about the apt. She had to drag what lil info she could from the landlord and the cops filled in the rest. Guess thats what happens when ya rent... ya never know what the history is...

My suggestions to her were:
#1 get a tox screen on the child
#2 Sue the pants off that jack-hole landlord

Thanks Tim, Crym and everyone... I trust everyones suggestions thats why I submitted it t here to be picked over.

One question, was the meth lab properly cleaned up after it was found?

It sounds like the child may have gotten in contact with some toxins, possibly left over from the meth lab. If they don't strip out all the carpets, repaint, and clean thoroughly the chemicals can still be in the home. The child falling over then giggling sounds like shes intoxicated not haunted. The marks on her lower back could also be a sign of poison in her system.

I'd make sure she had the house thoroughly checked out for toxic materials before you take a priest over there.

most buildings that have housed meth lab have to be torn down and the remains quarntined because the toxins that are created are extremely hazardous. I would tell your client to immeditely leave, and consult her doctor / peditician to run toxicity tests on the baby and her.
FYI, no amount of clean up can properly clean up a prior meth lab, if it is something such as a demonic force the roman catholic church would first want to make sure that the there are no enviromental factors which could cause the activity seen to this date.

This is very true, from what I know of meth labs, if the house/apartment where the meth lab was is not torn down, every thing is stripped out. Walls, flooring and everything completely stripped to the studs and replaced. I would be very worried about the child and taking her to a doctor is a very good suggestion, as well as the mother getting checked out too. If her apt. was not completely stripped and remodled after the meth lab was destroyed (and even then I would still not be comfortable)then she needs to MOVE! Please keep us posted on this L.G and good luck!

Just curious Tim, do you know of any type of device that would pick up on Toxins? I know they make a kit that detects Leads but not sure about other nasty's.

Ya know I was thinking... too much today *LAUGH* took me while..That would explain the kid cating weird but what about the scratching and bruising? The aunt is going to try obtain some pics for me.

Just curious Tim, do you know of any type of device that would pick up on Toxins? I know they make a kit that detects Leads but not sure about other nasty's.

Ya know I was thinking... too much today *LAUGH* took me while..That would explain the kid cating weird but what about the scratching and bruising? The aunt is going to try obtain some pics for me.

If this child is just falling backwards then laughing it could be causing the bruising and scratches itself. I never did meth but experimented a few times in my youth and drugs can mess you up bad and you can end up with bruises cuts scratches and have no idea of from where they came. Im glad to say I got smart young and never messed with drugs again. ( well except the pharmacy I have in my cabinet for my fibromyalgia)

Found this on a website discussing clean up of former meth labs
( http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/m ... ce0407.pdf):

".. toddlers who crawl on carpet or floors will have high frequency of skin contact with toxic residues over a considerable area of skin. These residues may directly irritate the skin, and may also be absorbed into the body through the skin. If hand to mouth behavior occurs when hands have been in contact with toxic chemicals, these will be ingested into the body..."

a friend of mine had to go through a crawl space at a chemical fertilizer plant he didnt feel anything yet the next day he had to big black and blue marks on his knee caps ..went to a doctor and spent the next 6 mnths in hospital and will never walk the same after ..because the bruise like marks were actuallt chemical burns which went right to the knee caps..from what i understand alot of the chemicals used in making meth cause these types of burns ..when they are cooking it it lets of a powerful acid and alot of meth cooks loose their hair and get nasty faces from these burns ..dont want to scare you or parents but yes do get medical and legal advice for parents incase landlord wont disclose more ...which is probally the reason he wont disclose anything.
good luck and hope things turn out well for child and parents

a friend of mine had to go through a crawl space at a chemical fertilizer plant he didnt feel anything yet the next day he had to big black and blue marks on his knee caps ..went to a doctor and spent the next 6 mnths in hospital and will never walk the same after ..because the bruise like marks were actuallt chemical burns which went right to the knee caps..from what i understand alot of the chemicals used in making meth cause these types of burns ..when they are cooking it it lets of a powerful acid and alot of meth cooks loose their hair and get nasty faces from these burns ..dont want to scare you or parents but yes do get medical and legal advice for parents incase landlord wont disclose more ...which is probally the reason he wont disclose anything.
good luck and hope things turn out well for child and parents

i think this should be brought up as well that besides ghosties, it is always important to look out for the health of your team especially when going out to someones home. Not only is there a danger from wierd or kooky clients but also from left over enviromental hazards.

Do they sell a kit to check the air quality like the lead kits they sell? If not I can contavt the enivormental ppl or maybe a hospital or Fire dept can give me some info.

Already told them , the team, I wouldn't send in anyone before checking the quality or the plcae. And I would put my health risk way before theirs, I'm already damaged goods sorta speak.