John Titor

so how does the child Jon react to the grown up Jon, and how did he convince his mother it was him. Im going to go read more.

Titor convinced the parents somehow, I guess with intimate knowledge of their lives, and maybe scars/birthmarks. He never went into detail about it. I think he did say that the younger him was told he was an uncle.

He also said that, when he was little, neither him or his parents remembered a supposed time traveller visiting them. I guess this is due to the difference in worldline.

The idea is interesting and I am not completely disregarding the possibility that the guy has traveled back in time or that time travel is possible...but I already see one problem in his story. In the post about the civil war we are suppose have here in the US he says: "There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years". He writes this long elaborate post about this great civil war that starts in 2005 and eventually becomes a larger war with Russia, China and Europe. After it is over, as he describes it, we all will live in an utopian, agrarian type world.

Stating the obvious, in order for his account to be correct, the civil war would have had to started 3 years ago.

This is true, however... 2 points

1) -probably the most used defense- this "worldline" is approx 2.5% different to his. Maybe he was just a few years out.

2) Retrospect is a wonderful thing. Maybe the "civil war" has started... it's not supposed to reach it's peak untill 2012. Who can actually give an exact date of a civil war starting? From what I can tell, (I'm not a war history expert - just an archaeologist) these things build up and gain momentum. Maybe in the future, if the civil war happens, we will look back and decide things started to go awry in 2004/5?

Also, I came across this http://www.reason.com/news/show/124055.html the other day. I was pretty shocked... Read right to the bottom. Not living in the U.S I'm somewhat detached from how "things are there". It seems to be supporting Titor.

I remain skeptical about Titor, but some part of me really wants to believe him.

He also predicted that 2004 would be the last olympics. There were winter olympics in 2006 - however a lot of people think he just meant the regular olympics. I guess we'll see if 2008 goes ahead. The torch came through London yesterday and Paris today, I believe and there has been a lot of protesting in both places, due to the Chinese Human Rights record. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to stop the games this year. I guess we shall have to wait and find out.

1. I concede that point..especially since most people who are not historians have trouble remembering historical dates.

2. Most people recognize the start of any war as being the date of the first shots/ Military action...or when a governing body declares war.

Of course, I'm not a historian either...just a sociologist. 😉

I do agree about the Olympics. I would not be surprised if the games were stopped this year and that would lend a little more credit to Titor's claims. We will, indeed, have to wait and see.

I think Titor said he joined the militia in 2011, and the actual "shooting each other" civil war started in 2012. As for the 2004/5 beginnings, he said this is when more... civil unrest will start, rather than out and out war.

It sounds like I'm defending him huh? Well, I guess I am. But who am I to know really? Time will tell.

I would be interested to hear your opinion from a sociologist point of view.
Do you think someone who would hoax such a thing, would be able to just "leave it" rather than coming back a few months or years later, and declaring it was him! Or claiming, again to be Titor? I would think that someone who executed such a good hoax (we're still talking about it years later) would want some kind of recognition. Surely that's what hoaxing is? For attention?

Also, your opinion of the "audience" would be welcome. Why are we still talking about it? Why do we find it fascinating? Are we all just fantasists? I think that maybe a lot of people think ,whether he's actually a time traveller or not, his message is what is important.

I also just though... there have been a lot of theories as to who he was... a hoaxer, a group of hoaxers, and actual time traveller etc. I don't think the issue has been raised that maybe mental illness might have something to do with it? Delusions can take over people's lives. They actually believe these delusions, and if "he" genuinely believes it, it's easier to be sincere. (technically, he wouldn't be lying)

just a though.

The idea is interesting and I am not completely disregarding the possibility that the guy has traveled back in time or that time travel is possible...but I already see one problem in his story. In the post about the civil war we are suppose have here in the US he says: "There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years". He writes this long elaborate post about this great civil war that starts in 2005 and eventually becomes a larger war with Russia, China and Europe. After it is over, as he describes it, we all will live in an utopian, agrarian type world.

Stating the obvious, in order for his account to be correct, the civil war would have had to started 3 years ago.

This is true, however... 2 points

1) -probably the most used defense- this "worldline" is approx 2.5% different to his. Maybe he was just a few years out.

2) Retrospect is a wonderful thing. Maybe the "civil war" has started... it's not supposed to reach it's peak untill 2012. Who can actually give an exact date of a civil war starting? From what I can tell, (I'm not a war history expert - just an archaeologist) these things build up and gain momentum. Maybe in the future, if the civil war happens, we will look back and decide things started to go awry in 2004/5?

Also, I came across this http://www.reason.com/news/show/124055.html the other day. I was pretty shocked... Read right to the bottom. Not living in the U.S I'm somewhat detached from how "things are there". It seems to be supporting Titor.

I remain skeptical about Titor, but some part of me really wants to believe him.

He also predicted that 2004 would be the last olympics. There were winter olympics in 2006 - however a lot of people think he just meant the regular olympics. I guess we'll see if 2008 goes ahead. The torch came through London yesterday and Paris today, I believe and there has been a lot of protesting in both places, due to the Chinese Human Rights record. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to stop the games this year. I guess we shall have to wait and find out.

1. I concede that point..especially since most people who are not historians have trouble remembering historical dates.

2. Most people recognize the start of any war as being the date of the first shots/ Military action...or when a governing body declares war.

Of course, I'm not a historian either...just a sociologist. 😉

I do agree about the Olympics. I would not be surprised if the games were stopped this year and that would lend a little more credit to Titor's claims. We will, indeed, have to wait and see.

I think Titor said he joined the militia in 2011, and the actual "shooting each other" civil war started in 2012. As for the 2004/5 beginnings, he said this is when more... civil unrest will start, rather than out and out war.

It sounds like I'm defending him huh? Well, I guess I am. But who am I to know really? Time will tell.

I would be interested to hear your opinion from a sociologist point of view.
Do you think someone who would hoax such a thing, would be able to just "leave it" rather than coming back a few months or years later, and declaring it was him! Or claiming, again to be Titor? I would think that someone who executed such a good hoax (we're still talking about it years later) would want some kind of recognition. Surely that's what hoaxing is? For attention?

Also, your opinion of the "audience" would be welcome. Why are we still talking about it? Why do we find it fascinating? Are we all just fantasists? I think that maybe a lot of people think ,whether he's actually a time traveller or not, his message is what is important.

I also just though... there have been a lot of theories as to who he was... a hoaxer, a group of hoaxers, and actual time traveller etc. I don't think the issue has been raised that maybe mental illness might have something to do with it? Delusions can take over people's lives. They actually believe these delusions, and if "he" genuinely believes it, it's easier to be sincere. (technically, he wouldn't be lying)

just a though.

He does say he joins the militia in 2011 at the age of 13 which completely blows my mind. What could possibily happen in the next 3 years that would make the U.S. allow a 13 year old to join in the fight?

I think the questions regarding whether a person could just drop the hoax and walk away would be better suited for someone who studies psychology, I think, but I can offer my opinion. I did notice while reading some of this stuff (I googled John Titor..there is a ton of info) that there are a few people who have claimed to be Titor but there has been no one that has proved they are the one, as far as I can tell.

I think some people could walk away and enjoy the fact that they have pulled off a highly successful and elaborate hoax. I can't say for certain, but I believe there have been hoaxes in the past that never completely got solved. (I will have to google that later...can't remember any off the top of my head). It is entirely possible that if it is a hoax, the perpetrator is still involved. He could be Oliver Williams that runs the website dedicated to Titor or the "family lawyer" that supposedly spoke for Titor's mother on Coast to Coast.

As for the audience...I think there could be any number of reasons why they believe. I read that in the time that Titor was posting, most people didn't seem to believe and most of the believers have joined in after the fact because they believe his predictions are occuring now. Some may believe mearly because it would be "nifty" (my favorite word) to time travel...others might want to believe because of how bad they perceive our current society to be.

What I find most interesting is that if this is a hoax, the guy(s) really did their home work. There are a few things mentioned regarding physics that I had to look up and they seemed to be correct...along witht he IBM 5100 story.

I will add that I called my friend who works for the science show, NOVA as an assistant producer of their web content. I asked her about this and the LHC that is mentioned on the front page of johntitor.com...and she started laughing hysterically. She has interview the guy or people who are involved with building this machine. She tried explaining me what the LHC does..something about being like a hoola hoop..I don't know. It was completely over my head. But she summarized it by saying that it's not possible to use it for what they say. Then I read some of the stuff to her from the front page...when I read the "Ask the Expert" section to her she laughed some more. That section was pulled from the NOVA website..and she was the one who put it together. Of course, this proves nothing really...but I thought I would add the opinion of someone who knows far more about physics than I do.

aah! So much thinking hurts my brain!

I agree to much thinking going on here....But its so interesting I cant stop reading about it.....lol

Neither can I. I spent all last night l reading about him. LOL.

Thank God I'm past that point..lol I've read everything and still can't decide where my mind takes me on this.

hmmm,
I think that the theory that if he was a hoaxer he would have come back for more attention is right.Unless he was a damn good, and damn commited hoaxer. Just because the people who have claimed they were him couldn't prove it doesn't mean that they weren't him. I know if my controversy was dying down I'd try to stir things up and say that I had been behind the hoax, but when asked for proof, I wouldn't give any. If I did, it would solve the mystery and no one would care any more, then no more attention for me. So playing dumb makes it look more plausable. The world at large agrees that I have nothing to do with it, so it is still possibly true.
However I think that if he was/is mentally ill that this would all make sense. Perhaps he is a genius who also happens to have a mental disorder,such disassociative disorder, which makes him think at times that he IS a time traveler. He would still have all the knowledge of a genius so he could really convince himself as well as others. Perhaps his "mother" is just about as real as Norman Bate's mom, and that's why she talks though a lawyer, who is probably him. In his mind Im sure he thinks his "mom" doesn't want the publicity, so she wants a lawyer. He probably thinks he is the Lawyer too. Or he has actually gotten a lawyer on "behalf" of his mother. It would also explain why he doesn't remember having boyhood memories of himself, and neither do his parents.
I am very skeptical of this for sure. Then again, I am a skeptic. If it is true that sucks cause it means in only a few years more than half of us are going to be dead. Maybe that's why I really want to find problems with
this.
It is really interesting, but I really just think it's the psychotic ramblings of a crazy guy, who happens to know a lot about physics.

Thanks krzy for raising our awareness on this fascinating topic which is still trying to be debunked, I might add , with no success. My credo is, there is no such thing as coincidence, the cause and effect theory.
Titor's batting average is beyond the norm and as time progresses its getting higher.

This all sounds like a little movie I once saw. OH YEs Terminator!! I personally dont believe such strong predictions until I see some kind of proof.

This all sounds like a little movie I once saw. OH YEs Terminator!! I personally dont believe such strong predictions until I see some kind of proof.

I think in most cases, proof is very hard to come by. It falls into the catagory of what one is open to. There are so many unexplained things in our universe. Maybe we aren't supposed to have proof, which opens an intelligent discussion based on evidence presented.

From my experiences, which is still someone shocking for me at times, I understand that there are things out there that I wouldn't have ever believed existed. While this story is hard to wrap your mind aound, there is very compelling evidence which makes one really wonder who this guy really is and why this has become such a hot topic of dicussion.